The podcast for family law attorneys who want to grow their firm.

Retained goes inside the business of practicing family law. Real conversations with firm owners, coaches, and industry leaders on marketing, hiring, systems, and the decisions that actually move a practice forward.

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Retained

Hosted by Scott Bishop, founder of Up And Social

Family law and estate planning attorneys know the law. The business side is where most firms stall. Every episode Scott sits down with an attorney, coach, or expert who has solved a real growth problem, and pulls out the tactics you can put to work this week. Marketing, intake, referrals, pricing, hiring, AI search, and the habits that separate firms that grow from firms that stay stuck. 30 to 45 minutes, no fluff.

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Episode 1

What Family Law Attorneys Get Wrong About the Emotional Side of Divorce

September 14, 2026 · 00:17:11

Chapters 0:00 Cold open and intro 0:43 From therapist to divorce coach - why the therapy room was not enough 2:20 What an attorney cannot fix mid-divorce - the emotional handoff 4:31 Nobody told her coaches existed - going through her own 2012 divorce 5:58 What family law attorneys get wrong - the instinct to fight 8:33 The divorce industry is changing - mediation and collaborative law 9:20 A co-parenting case that turned around - the colleague mind shift 11:59 Inside Divorce Network Pro - how the team works week to week 15:39 How do you know this works - burnout, cost, and happier clients 16:50 Where to find Jill and close Family law attorneys are handed the emotional weight of a case whether they want it or not. Jill Barnett Kaufman, MSW, LCSW is a therapist turned divorce coach, co-parenting expert, author of The Co-Parenting Playbook, and co-founder of Divorce Network Pro. In this episode of Retained she explains what she saw in the therapy room that the legal process was not giving clients, why what lawyers learn in law school has to be unlearned to be a great family law attorney, and how a coach in your corner protects both the client and the firm. She also tells her own story: she made a side deal with her ex against her attorney's advice, signed a waiver saying so, and 14 years later has no regrets and never went to court. In this conversation: • Why therapists cannot strategize a divorce and coaches can • The first few sessions with a client who is emotionally struggling • What the fight instinct costs firms in client experience and referrals • The co-parent to colleague mind shift that unlocked a stalled case • How Divorce Network Pro assembles coach, financial pro, lender, realtor, and therapist around the attorney Find Jill: http://divorcenetworkpro.com Retained is the podcast for family and estate planning law firm owners, hosted by Scott Bishop of Up And Social. If you work with divorcing families and want to be part of a referral team like the one Jill describes, reach out through the show and we will make the introduction. Be a guest: https://upandsocial.com/retained/be-a-guest FOR FAMILY LAW FIRM OWNERS Most firms do not lose cases to a better lawyer down the street. They lose them before the phone ever rings. When a person in your town searches for a divorce attorney, or now asks ChatGPT who to call, the firms that show up first get the consult. That is the work we do at Up And Social. We help family law and estate planning firms get found in Google and in AI search, fix the pages so they answer the questions people actually type, keep reviews and listings clean and consistent, and turn that traffic into booked consults. Plain marketing work, built for how family law clients actually choose a firm. Free AI Visibility Report for your firm: https://upandsocial.com/visibility Talk to Scott: https://scott.upandsocial.com

Retained

Divorce Mediation vs Litigation: She Quit After 9 Years

August 27, 2026 · 00:32:34

Three years. $60,000 each. Still no divorce. Then they finished in four months, without a courtroom. Most divorces get trapped in a system built for fighting, not healing. Jen Love of Solace Divorce explains why the "bulldog attorney" approach leaves parents, kids, and even the lawyers emotionally wrecked, and what changes when divorce is handled with mediation, coaching, and real human support. Host Scott Bishop talks with Jen about the moment she walked away from nine years of litigation after realizing the courtroom was creating more harm than resolution. She shares how becoming a parent reshaped her perspective, why family law attorneys burn out inside high-conflict systems, and how Solace helps couples move through one of life's hardest transitions without turning it into a years-long war. You'll discover: Why Jen traded litigation for mediation after seeing what adversarial divorce does to childrenThe emotional weight most clients are carrying before they ever walk into a law officeHow nervous system regulation, coaching, and support change the outcome of a divorceHow one couple spent 3 years and $60,000+ each in court, then finalized in 4 months with SolaceWhat attorneys miss when they focus only on legal strategyWhy Jen believes the entire family law system needs a mindset shift Jen also shares how she helps people rethink co-parenting, holidays, and post-divorce relationships through a lens of gratitude and long-term family health. For attorneys who know the system needs to change, she opens the door to a new way of working, including upcoming attorney retreats in Crestone, Colorado. About Jen Love Jen Love is a family law attorney, mediator, and divorce coach at Solace Divorce, where she has guided more than 500 couples through a more mindful, intentional divorce process. Her work centers on treating the legal and emotional sides of divorce as one process instead of two separate battles. Essential listening if you're going through a divorce, supporting someone who is, or you're an attorney who knows there has to be a better way.

Scott Bishop

Scott founded Up And Social to help family law and estate planning firms get found and get retained. Retained is the show version of that work, a relaxed conversation with the people solving the growth problems every firm owner runs into.

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